[[2022-11-13]] See also: https://doc.anagora.org/synthesis-infrastructures-group Attended the breakout room for [[social synthesis]], see Agora notes. [[Breakout rooms]] synthesis (in common) someone asked about [[commmons]] that have scaled well, good question [[Silvia Bessa]] [[patterns]] for [[incentivizing synthesis]] [[authors]] something based on [[model cards]] [[patterns languages]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Social_Systems [[scrum patterns]] used [[towns, buildings, construction]] as reference [[angelina lesnikova]] how to properly do metrics for incentivization? [[flancian]] [[agora]] :) [[jonny]] [[private bitcoin trackers]] – what do they do right? [[p2p]] systems that are self sustaining they make it a social process they have a role to play: overlays that require an additional effort independence or interdependence with a [[credit assignment system]] #al decision making, giving it as a right to the community [[ronen tamari]] how platforms capture data that could be used to do [[credit assignment]], reclaiming this data for the community #al [[funding]] has been one of the leading incentive mechanisms [[martin karlsson]] on [[social systems]] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g1V4WKKmIaEajC9AW9fdbqOnTd7joaasc-AjFDYNC5o/edit?usp=sharing https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Social_Systems but notes presented are in a [[google doc]] arriving at alignment incentivizing succesfully changing our minds do we need a license or agreement? “what is the linked data”? (what is the work?) [[jay]]: [[evidence map]], recognizing people, recognition tiers [[res cognito]] [[jonny saunders]] on [[social synthesis]] [[ronen tamari]] helping scholars find each other’s work curating content micro contributions to discourse sharing attention or endorsement it’s hard to currently find all meta (e.g. reviews, comments, annotations) for a given resource “given some URL or ar reference for a paper”, give me all X related to it/aggregate them [[minimum viable product]] that could arise: notes that researchers take while they do (read) research [[flancian]] https://hypothes.is is doing well in this space #push [[michael toomim]] recognizing entities/short names in [[mastodon]], [[jonny saunders]]'s work on [[wiki bot]] and dumping to [[semantic media wiki]]. [[braid]] (!) Michael ~ https://github.com/toomim -> https://braid.org, very cool, I was tracking it [[jonny saunders]] what is some way of accessing and providing linked data directly in [[mastodon]]? [[amy]] some external link resolving https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki is an experimental [[mastodon]] instance for the wiki their approach uses [[jonny:wiki:foo]] for writing to [[foo]] IIUC [[semantic mediawiki]] uses a [[property::object]] scheme [[amy zhang]] created something complementary to [[jonny]]'s! [[bot]] approach something that can bootstrap off what people are already doing – what’s the least extra that they can do? trying to bootstrap from paper announcements if someone makes an announcement post of their paper, if they add an identifier in it in the form (username:string) the bot will respond to that post with a link to the announcement and the original paper announcement of the paper see https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/@Synthbot/109335372976261537 using social more as a [[primary data store]] [[joel chan]] do you think this can be trialed in [[unsure]]? [[amy zhang]] how to agree on hashtags/short forms/ways to identify papers? [[flancian]] [[wikilinks]] [[sam klein]] are you thinking of keeping a separate index of hashtags somewhere? [[toomin]] no good database yet [[wayne lutters]] environmental components that enable shared models – [[interdisciplinary models]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interdisciplinary_Models making X machine readable/useful https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform?usp=sf_link [[pater murray-rust]] (has a lovely [[quixote]] drawing in the background)) dataset in [[pdf]] used [[obsidian]], got excited about the possibilities would like to convert to [[markdown]] https://github.com/petermr/semanticClimate [[joel chan]] https://github.com/joelchan/semantic-climate-dg [[wayne lutters]] [[preservation]] after projects complete solving your projects in the future; our future selves as the audience -> [[ellie desota]] [[ellie desota]] revisiting past projects, process e.g. doing a [[literature review]] [[semantic bibliography]] -> [[living bibliography]] [[eventual realizations]], a machine could bring in new projects and papers on the field you’re interested in (comment from jonny: it doesn’t make sense that every introduction is written from scratch) seeing the [[evolution of the question]] [[negative]] or [[zero]] cost to enable our future selves [[meta science]] level and object science level [[wayne lutters]] would love to be a [[bridge]] if you have research that wants to be public, please share it if you know systems or approaches, please share them if you know narratives about why someone should do this, please share them [[matthew evans]] [[utopian ideals]] that could be achieved with these tools [[federated repositories]] over siloes “if you add it to the federation, it can be discovered” better examples than “efficiency” are welcome [[interfaces]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interfaces [[pao siangliulue]] which kind of synthesis-friendly interfaces can you build? interview people from this workshop on how they do their [[synthesis]]? working on a [[diagram]] [[arthur perret]] https://www.arthurperret.fr/articles/2022-11-13-researchers-needs-and-options-for-collaborative-synthesis.html [[sharing screen]] (wow, nice site; reminds me of [[gwern]]'s) #push [[synthesis]] [[summarized knowledge]] “if researchers are lucky, they might come across a published synthesis that is both on topic, with sufficient coverage, and up to date” [[process]] of constructing new [[knowledge]] the latter as larger question [[needs]] under-developed, but cites [[the handbook of science and technology]] (wow, nice numbered sections/index on this site) [[ways to work with materials]] shift from [[publication]] to a finer level of granularity (had to take a toilet break here!) [[write in a scientific way]] missed because of the above, will read [[ways to navigate complexity]] idem [[pooja upadhyay]] miro map of [[processes]], [[nuances]] and [[tools]] supporting these processes (!) looks amazing – https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVO7IFHEQ=/ (it seems, typed) [[discovery]] [[filtering]] goinb back to marked information (in between) [[writing notes]] [[processing]] [[annotation]] genesis of shared identifying [[gaps]] [[synthesis]] more [[interconnection]] developing [[shared taxonomies]] [[output]] some sort of [[collaborative writing]] [[google docs]] [[pao siangliulue]] will try to publish or write an article about the outcome [[joel chan]] wants to join forces ;) [[jordan wick]] a [[sketch]] to link paper annotation and twitter/mastodon [[paper]] [[twitter]] and [[mastodon]] https://jon-e.net/infrastructure/#rebuilding-scientific-communication [[discourse modeling]] [[karola kirsanow]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Discourse_Modeling how do we transform/recompose [[narratives]]? [[the hero’s journey]] understand literature, conversation, science research: the [[discourse graph]] we have seen [[discourse graphs]]… but not many for some reason. most of us have not taken it beyond an individual graph level one implementation: [[roam research discourse graph]] [[universal federation of discourse graphs]] ~ [[united federation of discourse graphs]] [[naming]] is necessary for querying want to implement a particular data model which is documented in the wiki proper they mention the [[agora]] (!) #push [[agora protocol]] #meta [[question]] [[claim]] tagging looks very nice stage two of the journey: [[the abyss]] we’re reimplementing so much per tool, why don’t we just rely on mediawiki? but what we’re trying to really build here is a [[process]], a [[pattern language]] [[karola kirsanow]] rocks [[kyle m]] goal for the weekend: work with [[discourse graphs as data]] new to [[sparql]] but is adding a [[tools]] section to the wiki will document how to do [[rdf]] -> [[json jd]] -> [[mathematica]] -> [[querying]] [[konrad hinsen]] [[federated future]] tried annotating on [[mediawiki]] and felt [[friction]] writing tools that enable better annotation during and after writing how can we collaborate on the same graphs and representations given our diversity of backgrounds, the different tags/terminology we’d use? [[agora]] [[everything2]] [[massive wiki]] [[metasj]] on [[naming]] and [[scope]] it starts with: why are we doing this? which kind of discourse would be like to support? we’re doing this so that people working on compatible ideas can find each other and each other’s arguments priority; getting a few hundred discourse graphs, examples of questions that have been answered this way, which of course supports short and long form hypotheses in an example, as we were trying to sketch out a discourse in the wiki, we did this at the level of section headers advantages of systems that support [[transclusion]] [[short hand is used in large contexts]] [[deniz aydemir]] joined late but would like to point out a few salient points konrad mentioned that we need to remember the user perspective, how to meet the user where they are [[karola kirsanow]] call out: if you can annotate your notes with [[discourse graph]] tools, please do so and we’ll try to work on integrating :) [[computable graphs]] [[joel chan]] presenting https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Computable_Graphs how do we contextualize databases? what does provenance means for [[knowledge graphs]]? potential of [[nlp research]] [[temporal knowledge graphs]] lots of connections with other groups w.r.t. [[augmenting reading]], [[annotations]] as a teaching tool #push [[annotations]] [[jonny saunders]] mentioned https://refer.cx on chat presenting [[roam research]] [[megacoglab]] graph [[meta]] how to keep momentum from this whole? [[flancian]] [[call to action]] page in the wiki created by Jonny? [[discord by default]] [[martin karlsson]] suggest we use [[research roadmapping]] [[michael toomim]] what are all the different groups? [[metascience group]] for example [[discourse graphing]] [[federation]] [[joel chan]] fill in https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform [[metasj]] ~ [[samuel klein]] Potential feature requests for discourse graph schemas, qualifiers/properties/parameters for distinguishing kinds of connections. Where are current discussions happening? [[silvia bessa]] would people like to participate in a second edition of this, maybe physically? many yeses all around :) [[wayne lutters]] for the next 1.5w, there’s a conference ongoing: [[CSCW]] ~ https://cscw.acm.org/2022/ [[karola kirsanow]] a [[living project]], would love to see you all again [[virtually or in person]] [[jodi schneider]] is here and worked on [[cosma]] with [[guillaume brioudes]] #push [[action items]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Calls_to_Action reach out to [[wayne lutters]] with narratives/example reach out to [[michael toomin]] [[peter murray rust]] reach out to… lots of people actually, this group is amazing!