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  • [[2022-11-13]]
  • See also: https://doc.anagora.org/synthesis-infrastructures-group
  • Attended the breakout room for [[social synthesis]], see Agora notes.
  • [[Breakout rooms]] synthesis (in common)
    • someone asked about [[commmons]] that have scaled well, good question
    • [[Silvia Bessa]]
      • [[patterns]] for [[incentivizing synthesis]]
        • [[authors]]
        • something based on [[model cards]]
        • [[patterns languages]]
        • [[angelina lesnikova]] how to properly do metrics for incentivization?
        • [[flancian]] [[agora]] :)
        • [[jonny]]
          • [[private bitcoin trackers]] – what do they do right?
          • [[p2p]] systems that are self sustaining
            • they make it a social process
            • they have a role to play: overlays that require an additional effort
            • independence or interdependence with a [[credit assignment system]]
          • #al decision making, giving it as a right to the community
          • [[ronen tamari]] how platforms capture data that could be used to do [[credit assignment]], reclaiming this data for the community
          • #al [[funding]] has been one of the leading incentive mechanisms
    • [[martin karlsson]] on [[social systems]]
    • [[jonny saunders]] on [[social synthesis]]
      • [[ronen tamari]]
        • helping scholars find each other’s work
        • curating content
        • micro contributions to discourse
        • sharing attention or endorsement
        • it’s hard to currently find all meta (e.g. reviews, comments, annotations) for a given resource
        • “given some URL or ar reference for a paper”, give me all X related to it/aggregate them
        • [[minimum viable product]] that could arise:
          • notes that researchers take while they do (read) research
          • [[flancian]] https://hypothes.is is doing well in this space
    • #push [[michael toomim]] recognizing entities/short names in [[mastodon]], [[jonny saunders]]'s work on [[wiki bot]] and dumping to [[semantic media wiki]].
    • [[jonny saunders]]
      • what is some way of accessing and providing linked data directly in [[mastodon]]?
      • [[amy]] some external link resolving
      • https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki is an experimental [[mastodon]] instance for the wiki
      • their approach uses [[jonny:wiki:foo]] for writing to [[foo]] IIUC
      • [[semantic mediawiki]] uses a [[property::object]] scheme
    • [[amy zhang]] created something complementary to [[jonny]]'s!
      • [[bot]] approach
      • something that can bootstrap off what people are already doing – what’s the least extra that they can do?
      • trying to bootstrap from paper announcements
      • if someone makes an announcement post of their paper, if they add an identifier in it in the form (username:string)
      • the bot will respond to that post with a link to the announcement and the original paper announcement of the paper
      • see https://masto.synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/@Synthbot/109335372976261537
      • using social more as a [[primary data store]]
      • [[joel chan]] do you think this can be trialed in [[unsure]]?
      • [[amy zhang]] how to agree on hashtags/short forms/ways to identify papers?
      • [[flancian]] [[wikilinks]]
      • [[sam klein]] are you thinking of keeping a separate index of hashtags somewhere?
      • [[toomin]] no good database yet
    • [[wayne lutters]] environmental components that enable shared models – [[interdisciplinary models]]
      • https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interdisciplinary_Models
      • making X machine readable/useful
      • https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform?usp=sf_link
      • [[pater murray-rust]] (has a lovely [[quixote]] drawing in the background))
      • [[wayne lutters]]
        • [[preservation]] after projects complete
        • solving your projects in the future; our future selves as the audience -> [[ellie desota]]
      • [[ellie desota]]
        • revisiting past projects, process
        • e.g. doing a [[literature review]]
        • [[semantic bibliography]] -> [[living bibliography]]
        • [[eventual realizations]], a machine could bring in new projects and papers on the field you’re interested in
        • (comment from jonny: it doesn’t make sense that every introduction is written from scratch)
        • seeing the [[evolution of the question]]
        • [[negative]] or [[zero]] cost to enable our future selves
      • [[meta science]] level and object science level
        • [[wayne lutters]] would love to be a [[bridge]]
          • if you have research that wants to be public, please share it
          • if you know systems or approaches, please share them
          • if you know narratives about why someone should do this, please share them
      • [[matthew evans]]
        • [[utopian ideals]] that could be achieved with these tools
        • [[federated repositories]] over siloes
        • “if you add it to the federation, it can be discovered”
        • better examples than “efficiency” are welcome
    • [[interfaces]] https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Interfaces
      • [[pao siangliulue]]
        • which kind of synthesis-friendly interfaces can you build?
        • interview people from this workshop on how they do their [[synthesis]]?
        • working on a [[diagram]]
      • [[arthur perret]]
        • https://www.arthurperret.fr/articles/2022-11-13-researchers-needs-and-options-for-collaborative-synthesis.html
        • [[sharing screen]]
          • (wow, nice site; reminds me of [[gwern]]'s)
        • #push [[synthesis]]
          • [[summarized knowledge]] “if researchers are lucky, they might come across a published synthesis that is both on topic, with sufficient coverage, and up to date”
          • [[process]] of constructing new [[knowledge]]
          • the latter as larger question
          • [[needs]]
            • under-developed, but cites [[the handbook of science and technology]]
              • (wow, nice numbered sections/index on this site)
            • [[ways to work with materials]]
              • shift from [[publication]] to a finer level of granularity
              • (had to take a toilet break here!)
            • [[write in a scientific way]]
              • missed because of the above, will read
            • [[ways to navigate complexity]]
              • idem
          • [[pooja upadhyay]]
            • miro map of [[processes]], [[nuances]] and [[tools]] supporting these processes (!)
            • [[discovery]]
              • [[filtering]]
              • goinb back to marked information
            • (in between) [[writing notes]]
            • [[processing]]
              • [[annotation]]
              • genesis of shared
              • identifying [[gaps]]
            • [[synthesis]]
              • more [[interconnection]]
              • developing [[shared taxonomies]]
            • [[output]]
              • some sort of [[collaborative writing]]
              • [[google docs]]
          • [[pao siangliulue]] will try to publish or write an article about the outcome
            • [[joel chan]] wants to join forces ;)
          • [[jordan wick]]
    • [[discourse modeling]]
      • [[karola kirsanow]]
        • https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Discourse_Modeling
        • how do we transform/recompose [[narratives]]?
        • [[the hero’s journey]]
        • understand literature, conversation, science research: the [[discourse graph]]
          • we have seen [[discourse graphs]]… but not many for some reason.
          • most of us have not taken it beyond an individual graph level
            • one implementation: [[roam research discourse graph]]
          • [[universal federation of discourse graphs]] ~ [[united federation of discourse graphs]]
            • [[naming]] is necessary for querying
              • want to implement a particular data model which is documented in the wiki proper
            • they mention the [[agora]] (!)
          • #push [[agora protocol]]
            • #meta [[question]] [[claim]] tagging looks very nice
        • stage two of the journey: [[the abyss]]
          • we’re reimplementing so much per tool, why don’t we just rely on mediawiki?
          • but what we’re trying to really build here is a [[process]], a [[pattern language]]
        • [[karola kirsanow]] rocks
      • [[kyle m]]
        • goal for the weekend: work with [[discourse graphs as data]]
        • new to [[sparql]] but is adding a [[tools]] section to the wiki
        • will document how to do [[rdf]] -> [[json jd]] -> [[mathematica]] -> [[querying]]
      • [[konrad hinsen]]
        • [[federated future]]
        • tried annotating on [[mediawiki]] and felt [[friction]]
          • writing tools that enable better annotation during and after writing
        • how can we collaborate on the same graphs and representations given our diversity of backgrounds, the different tags/terminology we’d use?
          • [[agora]]
          • [[everything2]]
          • [[massive wiki]]
      • [[metasj]]
        • on [[naming]] and [[scope]]
        • it starts with: why are we doing this? which kind of discourse would be like to support?
        • we’re doing this so that people working on compatible ideas can find each other and each other’s arguments
        • priority; getting a few hundred discourse graphs, examples of questions that have been answered this way, which of course supports short and long form hypotheses
        • in an example, as we were trying to sketch out a discourse in the wiki, we did this at the level of section headers
        • advantages of systems that support [[transclusion]]
        • [[short hand is used in large contexts]]
      • [[deniz aydemir]]
        • joined late but would like to point out a few salient points
        • konrad mentioned that we need to remember the user perspective, how to meet the user where they are
      • [[karola kirsanow]]
        • call out: if you can annotate your notes with [[discourse graph]] tools, please do so and we’ll try to work on integrating :)
    • [[computable graphs]]
      • [[joel chan]]
        • presenting https://synthesis-infrastructures.wiki/Computable_Graphs
        • how do we contextualize databases?
        • what does provenance means for [[knowledge graphs]]?
        • potential of [[nlp research]]
        • [[temporal knowledge graphs]]
        • lots of connections with other groups w.r.t. [[augmenting reading]], [[annotations]]
          • as a teaching tool
          • #push [[annotations]]
        • presenting [[roam research]] [[megacoglab]] graph
    • [[meta]] how to keep momentum from this whole?
      • [[flancian]] [[call to action]] page in the wiki created by Jonny?
      • [[discord by default]]
      • [[martin karlsson]] suggest we use [[research roadmapping]]
      • [[michael toomim]] what are all the different groups?
        • [[metascience group]] for example
        • [[discourse graphing]]
        • [[federation]]
      • [[joel chan]] fill in https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0WxcL-EgaKXtwhu9ydiYTFzKjvT9K7VPjqqPRrDWMPHsQ9Q/viewform
      • [[metasj]] ~ [[samuel klein]]
        • Potential feature requests for discourse graph schemas, qualifiers/properties/parameters for distinguishing kinds of connections. Where are current discussions happening?
      • [[silvia bessa]] would people like to participate in a second edition of this, maybe physically?
        • many yeses all around :)
      • [[wayne lutters]]
      • [[karola kirsanow]]
        • a [[living project]], would love to see you all again [[virtually or in person]]
    • [[jodi schneider]] is here and worked on [[cosma]] with [[guillaume brioudes]]
    • #push [[action items]]